Friday, October 28, 2005

Will You Be My Friend?

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A few people I know have had a friendship crisis lately. This, combined with my own set of lackluster friends has led my to ponder on the nature of friendship itself.

I even did some research, but I figure it will take me a little bit to get through it, and I wanted to write something sooner rather than later. Perhaps I’ll respond to it in a later blog. In the meantime you’ll have to read my own, uniformed opinions.

“Friend”, I figure, is an arbitrary term. There is no clear definition of a friend that everyone accepts. No code of conduct that says “if you do this you are friends, if you do this you are not.” Makes things particularly sticky when two people enter this relationship with two different definitions of what friends should be. Or at least, what these two people should be to each other.

In that sense, I figure, friendship is a sort of negotiation between two people, with terms that are constantly in a state of flux, constantly renegotiated. Even worse, these negotiations are often unspoken. Which makes the chance of confusion, disappointment and hurt even worse.

It also makes trusting someone harder. Pooh Bear has gone through several tough times over the past few years. She had a confidant, a friend she shared things with. During a recent tough time, this friend of hers disappeared. No explanation, no excuse, leaving Pooh wondering what the hell happened. Turns out this friend decided that her tough times were too much to handle. They finally starting talking about it, after a month or two, and are trying to rebuild their friendship. But I imagine Pooh will think twice before sharing another tough time with her friend.

I’ve had very few dramatic friendship alterations. Instead, I’ve had a series of generally unfulfilling friendships really.

Chief among them is my friendship with Optimus Prime. I’ve told stories of him elsewhere, but let me re-iterate: we have made plans to do things throughout my life, and at the last minute, he backs out. Most memorably is my 7th birthday, when I was allowed to have one guest, I chose Prime, and he backed out that day, leaving my friendless on my birthday.

When he isn’t backing out of our plans, he’s refusing to make them in the first place. Most notably here is the time Wilma told me she wanted to go to Vancouver on her own. I’ve told this one before too. I was delirious and called Prime from a pay phone. He didn’t want to come see me, and did not make plans to come to see me at all. He had a wife who was due in a month, but he made no effort.

I haven’t talk to him much at all in the past year. A few lunches here and there. I’ve tried more than once to make plans, and he agrees that we should do something soon, but does not want to commit and never tries to contact me to do anything. He hasn’t met Minako, who I’ve been seeing for almost a year. He hasn’t seen my apartment where I have been living for over a year. When I ask him when he will get a chance to do those things he says “Probably never.”

Here is a case, not of someone abruptly changing the terms of the friendship, but reluctant to change them at all. Prime has always been this was. And may always be.

The rest of my friends are, for one reason or another, reluctant to hang out as well. I talk to Pooh Bear on MSN all the time, which often leads to misunderstandings due to lack of face-to-face activity, but she is working full-time, and finds it hard to bring herself to get out. Speed (you remember him, don’t you?) is relatively new as a friend, and like Prime, won’t commit to things. He said, at the beginning of the baseball season, that we should hang out and watch a game sometime. After several attempts to get something together, baseball season is now over, and he hasn’t been around. Rockzilla is a go with the flow guy whose efforts have been thwarted so many times that, if he does make an effort, it’s either on a whim, or on a commitment he made on a whim. I appreciate him, but he’s not exactly the go to guy when I want to just hang out. Hanging out with him is more of an event. Phil Ken Sebben is AWOL most of the time, but he lives in Southern Ontario and is only there half the time because he travels on business all the time. And then there’s…

No wait, that’s it.

Shitty.

In moments of hurt and disappointment, I think my friends are shitty assholes. But really, they aren’t. They just want different things from our relationship, or don’t feel like they are in a position to give me what I am looking for right now.

Which is what exactly? Here’s my checklist for my wet-dream of a friend:

Someone I can talk to about baseball, romantic entanglements, sex, writing, religion, etc. Doesn’t have to be knowledgeable in all categories, just interested enough to talk about it. Could even do without one or two.

Someone who is interested in hanging out from time to time, going to see a movie, going to see a band, getting together with a group for drinks, etc.

Someone who will call and ask me to do things. Different than the last one. I have had so few friends who actually initiate encounters and I am tired of chasing people.

Someone who wants to come over and just hang out without big plans or fanfare.

One of the things I read somewhere is that, as adults grow older, they increasingly view their friendships as expendable, a luxury that isn’t necessary, something that can be sacrificed. While there is a higher percentage of men who feel this way, women are not far behind. Maybe in another blog I’ll rant about how it is a combination of capitalism and the exploitation of the Puritan work ethic by corporations that leads to this perception of intimate relationships outside of romance.

Right now I’m just sad.

22 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I'm sad too. Why aren't we hanging out being sad together? Oh yeah, that would be my fault.

7:09 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel the same way sometimes here in Eastern Ontario. I don't think I knew how lucky I was out there in NS. I had two friends (you and casino man) that I could hang out with and do stuff like that (baseball, sports, sex (well not do this but talk about it), religion, fishing, and anything else cool) Here I feel like I hang out with a purpose in mind. I don't hang out just cause we're frineds, I hang out cause its a bible study, trying to make relationships with people so we can bring them to church, meetings about church etc. Only Engineer is a friend who ventures beyond the normal here and he is doing so much work that he rarely has time to hang out. So I also take my friends as they are. We do have good times (a video game night every second monday night and maybe hockey the other monday nights and the bible study with the odd other social meeting) but I miss what I had in Halifax. Maybe one day I'll get posted back and I'll get some of it back.

12:05 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you make so much effort in continuing your friendship with Optimus Prime?

11:06 a.m.  
Blogger deadwriter said...

Well, the short answer is, I'm not. I rarely call him, I never e-mail him, most of our conversations in the past 6 months(3 being most) have been via msn. When I do talk to him, I mention that I would be willing to hang out under a variety of circumstances if we could make plans. And he says he'll get back to me, but never does. And I don't follow up with him.

That being said, I am, and probably always will be open to hanging out with him. Prime is my oldest, and probably still best friend. He's assy, but I told him things I would not have told anyone else at the time. I remember when I told him I masterbated on a regular basis when I was still a Pentecostal Youth Leader, and felt so ashamed and guilty. And he told me when he was questioning the divinity of Christ and when he got his girlfriend pregnant. So while I'm not chasing him down, I will always be open to him. While I will not sacrifice any other plans I have should he decide, one day, that he wants to hang out, I won't make soemthing up to avoid him.

10:13 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aside from a lack of what I would consider 'important particulars', your tale is relatively accurate.

I probably would have painted a slightly more sympathetic picture of myself... but then again, I'm a Transformer. Changing my appearance is a specialty.

I must remind myself that in this kind of forum, the 'particulars' are not the point, as much as your feelings on the matter - so I will refrain from being defensive.

Instead, let me tell you: I am lost in this issue of friendship too. Perhaps that is why I sought out your blog today. Perhaps the other problem is that our friendship at one time required no "effort", and I am unskilled in the application of 'effort' to make our friendship work. I have some idea of where to begin, but I'm so unconvinced of how to "maintain" that I don't begin at all.

Our friendship is just another in a long list of things I am failing at these days. But I do miss you comrade. Truly.

1:13 a.m.  
Blogger deadwriter said...

Prime, I'm sorry if I left somethign out that would have shone a different light on you. I really don't want people to think you are an asshole. I still really like you. A Lot. But I feel slighted by you. A lot. Especially in the last year. I know you have a lot on the go, but we can wrok around that, I swear. Gimme a call or e-mail me or something, we can clear the air about what I wrote and make plans to hang out, working around the other stuff you have to do. All I need to revive our friendship, on my end, is some time to hang out and talk and play. Really.

deadwriter

(PS. spelling error in the last post. corrected it and reposted)

7:09 a.m.  
Blogger minako said...

I would say the most important "particular" you left out is that he has a wife and two young children. From what I understand, that would make a huge difference to someone's free time. However, from watching my parents and their friends, I know it's not quite the same as climbing Everest or walking through the Great Wall (remember when David Copperfield did that live on TV? That was cool). It is possible to have a family and friends -- if you choose to do so.

I'm only speaking up because I've heard how important Prime has been in deadwriter's life, so being who I am now, I'd kind of like to meet him.

Plus, I really like to stick my nose in where it doesn't belong, right D? :)

12:06 p.m.  
Blogger R.M. Lupo said...

The wife and kids thing was a large particular - i noticed after i got married that the dynamic of pretty near all my friendships got forcibly changed, and i don't think i have any of my childhood friends anymore. (Any of you married folk find the same? I do wonder if it's not just me...)

That being said, you and OP still have a connection, which is definitely something. On the other hand, OP, all you really have to do to exert effort is invest some time in a phone call once in a while. This is a friendship, not brain surgery. You could have, for example, called to see how deadwriter was doing in the time it took to check out the blog. Kudos, incidently, for commenting on here. If i discovered a friend was blogging about me, and lamenting the state of affairs, i'd curl up and die.

Now removing my nose from this oddly personal forum...Wow deadwriter, you sure know how to party.

11:12 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Minako and Tricky.

Yeah, it is oddly personal. I'm going to go with it a little bit more :)

I was talking with two work friends today that I shared this topic with. Before going into any details, their immediate reaction was "Friends? What friends? As soon as kids came into the picture, most ties to old friends all but ended"

I don't know how to explain it Deadwriter - it's one of those stupid things that older people tell you "you'll understand some day".

Talking in the abstract like this, the idea of keeping in touch seems ridiculously simple. Surely it's just a matter of "choosing to", right?

My day starts at 5:50am. It winds down around 9pm. It's as simple as that. I'm sure my wife would like the few remaining minutes.

Last nights comment I posted at 1am. This one is being made at 12:00pm. I'm starting the cycle again in less than six hours. This is me, making you, a priority over much needed sleep.

Weekends? Not much better. All the shit that can't get done between 9pm and 12pm on weekdays gets saved up for the weekend.

There aren't other friends I'm hanging out with in place of you.

There. are. no. friends.

Your ass comment aside, you know how charming I am :) I could likely get some new friends if I wanted.

All relationships right now are relationships of convieniance:

1) Work friends (breaks and lunch)
2) Neighbours (generally so that our kids can get together).

I'm starting to sound defensive, I think. I don't mean to... I'm saving that for the end of this. Right now I'm just trying to share information.

When I think of our relationship, I see it in a very long term view. LOTS of time together as kids/teens/young adults. A LOT less time together in this weird "marriend with young kids" stage, and then those great, "cranky, sitting on the porch in rocking chairs" times where we'll laugh together about all this.

I've never stopped thinking of you as my best friend. And that won't change. Our relationship will take different forms, but when I go to the grave... I go to the grave with one "best" friend (wives excluded). And you're it.

I'll say again: I beat myself up about how little I stay in contact with you. But not often, and not for too long (which is maybe why I come off as uncaring about it). I've long ago accepted the crazy lifestyle I'm in, and have simply set the "desire to spend more time with you" aside for when it'll actually be possible and enjoyable. When we try to make plans and I say things like "that'll probably never happen", it's just me being cynically descriptive. I'll be more careful about that in the future.

I'm about to get defensive... so here are a few things to get out of the way:

* Video of Luke: http://members.accesswave.ca/~rcasmith/

* Yes, let's talk on the phone.

Okay, I do want to get defensive about two things:

1) The kids were definately one of the particulars I was thinking of. But in terms of the 7th birthday party: Backout out?

How about covering for parents who were very strict about getting together with friends. Getting together with you was ALWAYS an ordeal at that age. Not my choice. You think I didn't want to go to a birthday party. At seven? With you??? Does that even make sense when you think about it? I loved getting together with you. Especially at your place (so many less rules). It was the 'rents... not me!

2) When Wilma was going to Vancouver you said I didn’t 'want' to come see you.

In terms of the timing... and the difficulty it posed to me: no I didn't want to come see you. In terms of wanting to be there as a friend to you, sure I did.

It's a question of confliciting priorities. Shit happens. There were times you DID take priority in terms of Wilma... but not everytime... and not on that occasion (which I can understand was a time when a good friend was solely needed).

And no, I did not make plans to 'see you at all'... SHE WAS DUE IN A MONTH you crazy person... there is no "plan making with friends"... there is only "waiting hand and foot on wife and doing all the last minute shit".

So no... I made no effort. Guilty as charged. I valued my life and marriage, thank you very much.

As I acknowledged: This is a blog. You're sharing feelings... the particulars, and any arguments I may make in my own defense are not the point. None the less, I make them to satisfy the needs of my ego and because I hope then if you get a chance to think over some of the times you've been stiffed, you won't think of them as intentional, so much as circumstantial (and leave a little room for my human weaknesses in the times when I could have at least made them seem less intentional).

PS. Be seeing you.
PPS. Minako, I do hope to meet you one day! I hope your opinion of me is not too low (on the other hand... it'll make all that much easier to impress you!)

12:17 a.m.  
Blogger deadwriter said...

Prime,

I didn't you you to feel defensive. You're right, this is my feelings, and do not neccessarily match the facts all the time. I did an earlier blog in which I explained your situation more in depth, but I should have done a better job of it here.

I know you are busy, and I can't very well argue that you could cut out some of the stuff you do to hang out with me because I know how hard it is to get stuff done without a wife and kids.

In terms of the specifics you mentioned:

1) the seven year old birthday thing, yeah, I can see how that was the parents. probably not fair to bring that up, but it seemed to fit with a pattern. And maybe that pattern was due to your parents because bad things alwyas seemed to happen when we hung out (at least when we were older...) So, ok, letting sweventh birthday drop. How can you figure out what really happened when you were seven anyway?

2) I am more torn about this than it appeared in this blog, and I'm sorry it seemed so one sided here. As you say, this is a blog about what I think and feel, and at the time, that side was very strong. I know your wife was about to have a baby, I know that takes up most of your time and thoughts. I know that's important to you. Maybe my expectation fro you to be there more for me was unrealistic. It is still hard to get over the disapointment, but I am willing to let that go and put it behind us.

This blog was about how I needed more right now. You and me talk about stuff in a way I can't talk to other people. There are some pretty big changes coming in my life. And big changes that have happened in the last year or so. I want to talk to you about that. And of course, it's more than just therapy (you would, afterall, be a terrible therapist :) I want to do the things we talked about before. The fun stuff.

Ok, so while this is, I'm sure, a fun show for everyone, let's continue this conversation over the phone soon, ok?

deadwriter

7:57 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed comrade.

9:13 a.m.  
Blogger deadwriter said...

Prime,

I removed your last comment twice. You are welcome to repost it as long as you remove the real names and replace them witht he pseudonyms. You won't have to change another word, and I will leave it up. Please make sure you change every instance.

deadwriter

3:20 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Turns out, there's an unaired episode to this show, before we go off the air:

Anonymous said...
You know I still think he's a huge dick I don't care what minako says. I've always felt that way about prime when it comes to being your friend.


Nice.

Fucking.

Nice.

This is going to be a HUGE disappointment if you turn out to be Dead's brother.

I woulda been down from ottawa in a second for you or casinoman if either you ever did or ever do ask.

Wait for it... wait for it:

but saying that if lil_red was in serious need of me staying around then I would probably stay...

Convieniant that this explination works for YOU. When do I get to use it? The pregnant wife scenario isn't good enough? I didn't get the call and then hang up on him... I did what I could with the options I felt I had at that time.

I'd like to think that the reason I chose to stay at home was because I was making a rational, and carefully considered decision... then again, maybe I'm such a HUGE DICK, that I'm incapable of logical thought.

but heres the deal, I don't think she would ever say that when one of you guys was in need. I'm not sure primes wife would either, but i don't know her that well.

How much do you know about the details of what was happening in my life at the time when Dead placed his call?

Would it be fair to say that you knew... oh, I don't know... approximately "NOTHING"?

You know, it's one thing to have Dead feel slighted and then verbalize it, but to have some random person who is even MORE removed from my personal situation pass their judgement... well, it leaves me wondering... who's the huge dick here?

anyway... still think hes a dick.

Again... how are you defining dick? Somewhere in my definition is "people who pass judgement unfairly".

if friends can't make sacrafices in times of need, then they're just aquaintences.

Okay asshole - you got a list of all these "times in need", where I stiffed Deadwriter? I want them. It better be more that 10, cause we're talking about a 23 YEAR relationship. And I want "INTENTIONAL - FUCK YOU DEADWRITER" stiffs, not this circumstantial shit I'm getting accused of.

Whose the dick, Dick?

You've got nothing, and you're running your mouth because it's easy to. Easy.

Oh, and if you do manage to scrounge up a few items for your shit list, would you mind listing all the sacrifices that "were" made - or do they count for anything?

Oh wait... you wouldn't know anything about that. Ignorance is bliss, fucko.

in my head cause I think of him as a dick, I imagine him thinking how much it sucked that wilma was gone but not because he felt bad for you but because he knew he would have to step up as a friend... and he still didn't what a dick

Again, this is going to really suck if you Dead's brother. Cause if that's how you think I think, then... damn.

PS. Deadwriter, Bumblebee's been reading this blog for awhile. I never even knew. Crazy, huh? Then again, there was a lot of shit I apparently didn't know.

PPS. I posted it twice cause I thought there was an error the first time I tried. Third time now, and cleaned up to protect the innocent.

PPPS. Wow... I was upset! So much for not getting defensive!

3:43 p.m.  
Blogger R.M. Lupo said...

Prime,
speaking as a person who ONLY knows of you through deadwriter's writing, and your own comments, i really don't think you're a dick, at all. Maybe not so hot with the explaining up to this point, but definitely not a penis capapble of human speech.

6:18 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This thread did need a laugh after my last post... thanks tricky :)

And thanks for the good phone call tonight Dead. It left me in a very optimistic mood.

I feel better understood, and I hope you do to. Plus I think we've set some realistic goals.

20 points for Gryffindor!!

(Hmm... you may not get that reference)

7:38 p.m.  
Blogger minako said...

Of course he wouldn't!!

He wouldn't touch HP books or movies with a 10-foot pole, despite my insistance that it's not trite drivel.

The jerk.

8:59 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prime

OK. I'm going to start by apologizing. You're right I've no knowledge of what your situation was at the time and nor did I bring across the 23 years of things you did right. It was as dead says, my "feelings" at the time about you. You have to understand two things though. 1 this is not the first time my brother complained about the actions of his best friend. You did a lot of things through your 23 years of friendship that genuinely offended dead and I heard about them all. My friendship with casinoman is slightly different with a heavy weight on loyalty, so some of the stuff I heard about although one sided made you sound like a pretty big dick. 2 dead is my brother, and when my brother says he thinks somebody's a dick and gives good one sided reasons why, not only do I also start to think your a dick, but I want to pound your fucking face in too.

All that said, now that the situation is over and done with, and I think my brother has recovered from many emotional wounds wilma left him, i'll admit i was brash. i don't think your a huge dick, i don't even think you're a dick at all. i just don't like it when people hurt my brothers feelings, especially when hes already down and out. i know nothing of your situation and know none of the side effects of having kids.

again, those were my feelings at the time towards you and given a similar situation i can't say my gut reaction would be that different. but in a settled situation, i think you've been a good friend to dead in a way that no one else including me can be, and thats something he obviously needs and values, otherwise he wouldn't have continued to label you his best friend throughout the blog.

11:53 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it was the "I've always thought he was a..." bit that really threw me, cause I had no idea you thought that.

Of course, the other side of the coin is that because you are Dead's brother I'm much more inclined to want to repair any damage... inclduing your opinion of me - but I guess I'll leave that part of it up to Dead, if he so chooses.

For my part, I always liked you, and thought you were a really nice guy.

And I appreciate your response to my rant.

9:57 p.m.  
Blogger minako said...

Group hug!!

12:24 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't think that you were always a dick, just sometimes it seemed you weren't a very good frined to dead.

I'm sure we'll meet again someday given our mutual aquaintance, and I promise I won't kick the crap out of you as long as you don't mess with my brother too many more times ;)

7:03 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow---I missed all that fun until today because like Prime, my life gets very busy. That was a great thread, guys. What is Dead's brother's name? GI Joe? I discovered a long time ago, when dead's first girlfriend dumped him, that GI Joe is really good at hating people that hurt his loved ones. I think it's a good quality when someone is hurt and needs to get that anger out. When Wilma left Deadwriter, GI Joe probably said, "She's a crazy bitch," and some other unflattering things, and Dead needed to hear that. He couldn't say that at first, even though he needed too. I'm not him, but I'm gueesing it helped to hear it, and eventually echo it. Even though GI Joe's the little brother, he's very protective. It must suck to be on the other end of that, but it looks like this time they've all kissed and made up.
Great drama, everyone. I wonder what would have happened if I'd tried this on my blog with that first girlfriend of Deadwriter's that hurt me this summer and fall?

9:29 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was some pretty good drama all right. Now how's Dead going to top it?

3:45 p.m.  

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